tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3315861630765119669.post1964712673719045389..comments2024-03-10T10:34:02.181+02:00Comments on The Alliterative Allomorph: Why Literary Journals Should Accept Reprints & Simultaneous SubmissionsJessica Bellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10889900730906728317noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3315861630765119669.post-61053708603780106132013-10-31T17:18:58.945+02:002013-10-31T17:18:58.945+02:00This really gets my dander up. Has done for decade...This really gets my dander up. Has done for decades. I want to be read. I want to be read by as many people as possible. If I post a poem on my own blog then maybe a hundred people will click on it and maybe even read it and I’ve a decent readership for my kind of blog. And that’s it? Only those one hundred people will ever get to read that poem. Or the one of two over the years who stumble on that post over the years. That’s just awful. Now let’s play Venn diagrams. How many people who read my blog read, say, ‘Ink, Sweat & Tears’? Maybe a dozen, two at the tops? What harm would be done if they did happen to stumble across an old poem of mine there? Assuming the read every post of mine and every post of Helen’s faithfully. Who says a poem only gets to be read the once? I’ve been reading ‘Mr Bleaney’ for forty years and I’m still not fed up of it. There are hundreds of small press magazine and webzines and no one is reading more that a … I dunno, do you read more than a half-dozen faithfully? … and what’re the odds that you’ll find the same poet in two of them let alone the same poem? And who’s to say you would even remember? It’s stupid. I had a poem turned down recently because the site discovered it in the <i>comments</i> on a blog. How many people will have read that comment? I wasn’t publishing it. I was sharing with a friend. Good writing doesn’t go off any more than good music does or good theatre. People still go and watch Shakespeare’s plays and you’re not telling me they don’t know how they’re going to end. A magazine should want to bring the best poetry to its readership, not the newest. Anyway I could rant about this all day. You get the idea.Jim Murdochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12786388638146471193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3315861630765119669.post-51770676784583818012013-10-31T16:27:41.655+02:002013-10-31T16:27:41.655+02:00Fair enough Laura although as Jessica says, there ...Fair enough Laura although as Jessica says, there is a way around it. Roslyn Rosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15700960108357035957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3315861630765119669.post-32327890436357508402013-10-31T09:40:35.502+02:002013-10-31T09:40:35.502+02:00See, we don't have that problem in Vine Leaves...See, we don't have that problem in Vine Leaves because we design each issue as a PDF for download and the text within it is unsearchable.Jessica Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10889900730906728317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3315861630765119669.post-34426376802522777382013-10-30T23:34:47.975+02:002013-10-30T23:34:47.975+02:00That is true, Roslyn, but I meant that Google'...That is true, Roslyn, but I meant that Google's system basically takes you down a peg AS IF you were a plagiarist, regardless of the true definitions of the word. If any article appears, word for word, one two different sites, Google penalizes the publishers of those sites. So that's the main reason I don't like to accept previously published work - whether it has appeared on someone's blog, the New York Times, or wherever. It's all the same problem, as far as Google rankings are concerned.Laura Roberts @ Buttontapper Presshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03716439129745683442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3315861630765119669.post-4789544207257996742013-10-30T08:18:25.836+02:002013-10-30T08:18:25.836+02:00Perhaps Richard but given that the personal blog i...Perhaps Richard but given that the personal blog is the equivalent in essence of the poetry group of times past, or present for that matter, it would be a difficult one to argue morally or legally. One presumes, if they want absolute rights they should include a clause saying poems are not allowed to be read in public.Roslyn Rosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15700960108357035957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3315861630765119669.post-17107128449692604962013-10-30T08:16:31.152+02:002013-10-30T08:16:31.152+02:00As every editor and journalist knows, you cannot b...As every editor and journalist knows, you cannot be accused of plagiarism if you have accepted work from a writer and of course the submission and acceptance constitute a paper trail which is easily shown so it is not about plagiarism, which is where someone uses material WITHOUT the permission of the writer/author/poet.<br />Demonstrably, if someone accepts my poem and it has been on my blog, and more than happy to admit that then their publishing is with my permission - otherwise, why would I send it?<br />Roslyn Rosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15700960108357035957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3315861630765119669.post-68247462585661036342013-10-30T02:44:12.525+02:002013-10-30T02:44:12.525+02:00I always figured it was a matter of Google fingeri...I always figured it was a matter of Google fingering you as a plagiarist if you reprinted an article previously published on the web. As such, your site's Google ranking would drop, and that would be bad for an online literary magazine like mine. As for print mags, who knows what the reason is?Laura Roberts @ Buttontapper Presshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03716439129745683442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3315861630765119669.post-68619236924109929292013-10-30T01:21:21.723+02:002013-10-30T01:21:21.723+02:00Roslyn, not sure I have an answer for that. Perhap...Roslyn, not sure I have an answer for that. Perhaps the editor thinks of a blog as a published work competing for the same readers and doesn't want to share content.writing and living by Richard P Hugheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03814139767151989286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3315861630765119669.post-41806445862759388922013-10-29T16:58:17.316+02:002013-10-29T16:58:17.316+02:00Good point Richard but it does not explain what I ...Good point Richard but it does not explain what I see as the core issue - why is one's own blog included? There is no payment. Roslyn Rosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15700960108357035957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3315861630765119669.post-56369968180147209462013-10-29T15:21:26.903+02:002013-10-29T15:21:26.903+02:00That's an interesting perspective, Richard. Wh...That's an interesting perspective, Richard. While I wouldn't have an issue with paying a contributor for their work regardless of where it's appeared, I can see why others might. Thanks for chiming in!Jessica Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10889900730906728317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3315861630765119669.post-90924190844904955012013-10-29T15:09:46.723+02:002013-10-29T15:09:46.723+02:00I have no problem with exclusivity. I'm sure i...I have no problem with exclusivity. I'm sure it's somewhat of a money issue: why should I pay you to publish your work while you're publishing it for free or for a smaller fee someplace else? I do have a problem with tying up a person's work for a year or more. Exclusivity should mean a quick decision and quick payment and, ideally, quick publication.writing and living by Richard P Hugheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03814139767151989286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3315861630765119669.post-6314506469334854102013-10-29T09:41:18.563+02:002013-10-29T09:41:18.563+02:00Well said Johanna. Yes, I did wonder how they coul...Well said Johanna. Yes, I did wonder how they could know if a poem had gone onto your blog without actually wading through the blog to check. I have been blogging for years and have thousands of poems - how could they find out that the poem I have submitted has been published on my blog four years ago? I don't necessarily mind them demanding that work not be published elsewhere but I don't believe that should include a personal blog. To my mind the blog is not publishing - it is just writing online in the same way people in the past wrote in a book or on a typewriter and as often as not, read their poems to friends, which is what the blog allows, or read out their poems in groups, private or public, which is what the blog allows.Roslyn Rosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15700960108357035957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3315861630765119669.post-60685624056311356782013-10-28T19:33:08.903+02:002013-10-28T19:33:08.903+02:00Disallowing simultaneous submissions is just silly...Disallowing simultaneous submissions is just silly. First of all, the lawyer in me can't help but think that it's impossible to police. Second, with the acceptance rate most writer's experience, it's not practical to expect them to submit, wait a year and then submit again.Johanna Garthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15515478890074610814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3315861630765119669.post-52650631012231503482013-10-28T18:13:36.825+02:002013-10-28T18:13:36.825+02:00"We should be encouraging writers of all stri..."We should be encouraging writers of all stripes. Even if they are simply testing the waters or trying to get a bit more exposure. That's what we "smaller" journals are here for. We're another step up the ladder toward a writer's success." <br /><br />That's the way I see it, too. But, . . .<br /><br />Simultaneous subs and reprints do give more exposure to the author, but by using an article that has been pubbed before means that another story, new, unpubbed and not a reprint will probably not be accepted. <br />So what's best? As long as reprints are identified, I have no problem reading them, but I'd be annoyed if the anthology said New Authors and a reprint was in the bunch. Why? Because I'd expect new authors. Just an alternative take on the problem.D.G. Hudsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213237734772028645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3315861630765119669.post-89383831783900943542013-10-28T17:38:23.204+02:002013-10-28T17:38:23.204+02:00The restriction on simultaneous submissions makes ...The restriction on simultaneous submissions makes sense, especially if a piece is published in a larger publication. I think being the first and exclusive source of something is perceived to be important in most quarters. However, not allowing reprinted material to appear doesn't make a lot of sense. There are so many publications out there that articles are very easy to miss and if an article deserves to be read then it deserves more exposure.<br /><br />Lee<br /><i>Check out my interview with viral blogger Liza Long</i><br /><a href="http://tossingitout.blogspot.com/2013/10/what-can-happen-if-blog-post-goes-viral.html" rel="nofollow">Tossing It Out</a><br />Arlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3315861630765119669.post-17164243376376306222013-10-28T17:18:31.315+02:002013-10-28T17:18:31.315+02:00Cogent, timely and extremely well stated. I would ...Cogent, timely and extremely well stated. I would lone to see this posted to the Comment or Feedback section of a large number of small print and e-zines. Very nice and Vine Leaves has the open policy to back it up!<br />Rick Hartwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06381110028559592820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3315861630765119669.post-75321282149701275392013-10-28T15:13:47.532+02:002013-10-28T15:13:47.532+02:00I didn't realize so many of them wanted exclus...I didn't realize so many of them wanted exclusive rights. Do the authors have permission to publish their works elsewhere eventually?Alex J. Cavanaughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09770065693345181702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3315861630765119669.post-91840642148538425862013-10-28T12:07:21.110+02:002013-10-28T12:07:21.110+02:00Thanks Jessica for putting it together so succinct...Thanks Jessica for putting it together so succinctly. I will be interested to read further comments on the issue. It would be even better if there is feedback from some literary journals who enforce such conditions explaining just why it is so.Roslyn Rosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15700960108357035957noreply@blogger.com